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Markham Hislop's avatar

Dear Mike

Read history? My degrees are in history. And Toynbee was the subject of my historiography grad class thesis. I don't appreciate the lecture. If you want to engage, be polite. If you can't be polite, fuck off.

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Mike Cleven's avatar

I can't find your "do not nationalize" article, so picked this one to comment on that topic.

You used the unfortunate word "always" which in both history and futurology is a dangerous word to use. Canada had only begun to fall in the US orbit around the time my parents were married (1948, I was born in '55). The dire realities of the Cold War were why the TM got built, and the Bridge River Power Project, which though it added to the Lower Mainland's power supply was built, like the TransMountain, to supply energy to the Puget Sound Military Complex and the rapidly-growing Puget Sound megalopolis. There was a war hero for a US President, and one soon after. Times were very different than today.

But even then we weren't closely tied into the US economy or polity; successive generations of Canadian and British PMs had seen to that. i.e. we weren't "ALWAYS" deeply tied to the US; we fought it off as much as possible.

My guess as to your age is ~50+ so your experience of relations has been in the post-FIRA FTA era and since, and your profession has you mired in oil-think.

You disappointed me the other night by saying that nationalization of the oil sector is not possible nor a good idea. Well, then by implication that state ownership of the resource in Mexico, Norway, the Netherlands, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Indonesia and many others defines those country's prosperity and state of technological and social development (not reckoning in human rights issues in corrupt monarchies like Saudi of course, but Saudis don't hurt for health care, highways, or air conditioning etc).

We need to have the courage to nationalize not just the TAR sands ("oil sands" is purely a marketing term, bitumen is NOT oil). We need to take our railways back, and move to ban ownership of our media and other industries (including the government services, agencies and crown corps the BC Liberals/Gordon Campbell gave away at fire sale prices). If we don't do that, we wind up fulfilling the John Turner election campaign where a Tory in a suit is erasing the 49th Parallel; Lyin' Brian's counter-commercial showed the firm re-drawing of that line, which in today's context is a not-so-funny laugh riot.

You need to get your impressive noggin out of the oil patch and prognostications on building an obsolete infrastructure. Pipelines are being shown to be anything BUT a "nation-building" project or industrial sector. What's needed for Albertan CITIZENS is for the feds to invest heavily in what Dani has tried to ban - geothermal, solar, wind, even in cold fusion research. And in the electrification or air and vehicular travel. "It's not federal jurisdiction!" she'll shriek, but standing in the way of technological development and advancement isn't provincial jurisdiction, either.

I strongly urge you to open your mind and your perspective on broader views of history than the one-industry vision you seem stuck in. Go to Norway and see the benefits of nationalization, likewise the Faeroes and Greenland which have benefitted from Denmark's nationalization of resource and other industries. The contrast between Nuuk and Iqaluit we've all seen on TV.....

I recommend you start reading actual history and the theories and axioms of geopolitics and imperial histories - AJP Taylor, Arnold Toynbee, Barbara Tuchman, Jan Morris, Colin McEvedy "for starters". And this link will take you to an online edition of DJ Hauka's "McGowan's War", https://archive.org/details/mcgowanswar0000hauk - which despite its title is about how British Columbia came to be; you live here now, and should get to know the intimate details of BC's history. Other historians I recommend are old classics by Howay & Scholefield, Margaret Ormsby, Helen and GPV Akrigg; works by modern academics are tub-thumping and biased.....

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